Comments on: The Techno-logical Divide

By: RH

RH — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:44:01 +0000

Hawtin is supporting the community:)

English Version
MINUS is looking for a new intern for merchandising, press and promotion.

Skills:

Excellent verbal and written skills in English and German (must be German or English native speaker and fluent in the other language)
Strong computer skills, experience with MAC and office programs
HTML knowledge
Independent and structured working
Exceptional organisational skills, ability to multitask
Enthusiastic, proactive, resilient and with good team spirit
Flexible time schedule
Drivers licence appreciated but not required

Job description:
- daily office work, (general organisation, run errands etc)
Merchandise: inventory, mail-out of online orders (webshop), etc.
Press & Promotion: mail-outs, creation of newsletters, evaluation and archiving of press clippings, online postings and radio playlists, planning and coordination of promotion appointments, etc.

Please send your cv and application via mail or email.

By: Rennie Foster

Rennie Foster — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:37:01 +0000

yo fledge…
i refered to richie hawtin as a go-getter because he is. there is no question that he makes things happen on a large scale and always has… BUT.. it doesnt mean i support what he is about at all. its possible to respect people and at the same time fight against what they satnd for… respect your enemies and all that. i think all that gear brand pushing and safe trendy techno for the masses is wack, and i would never “watch what i say’ to protect my support on beatport (hahaha.. you wouldnt say that if you knew me !) i read richies article and call bullshit too.. but i dont really need to compare it to mikes interview ..richie is what he is and does what he does.. its for THOSE people and i dont hate on them.. i just do another thing. and the thing i do is much more aligned with what mike is talking about.

By: j.fine

j.fine — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:09:40 +0000

@Fledge: damn fucking str8!

By: Fledge

Fledge — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:03:32 +0000

Kamo, I think you are wrong in some ways about the media who hype everyword hawtin says, you CAN blame him, why? because he chooses to expose himself to them, why does he chose to expose himself…..because without press exposure his type wither and die, look at the difference of magazines, Wire for UR and Mixmag for Hawtin, ironic but in a way totally right UR are in Wire and suits their message of consolidation and community, Hawtin in Mixmag suits “the me generation” where the only community mixmag relate to is hedonism on ibiza, Hawtin comes across as a nob…but he set himself up for that and probably doesn’t even realise as he is so wrapped up within his own personna.
Maybe artists are scared to speak out about him due to his massive involvement with Beatport, and so they are scared of losing vital exposure, thats why they refer to him as a go getter, but whilst that is true in a neo conservative way he has consistently never given anything back. He hasn’t even innovated as everything he has been involved with has been done before, he is just a timely band wagon jumper.

Mad Mike will always have my support and respect, Hawtin will always have my laughter, but I’m sure neither really worry about what I am writing, Mike because he just does and Hawtin because he is just about himself!

By: biotek808

biotek808 — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:40:34 +0000

wow richie is full of shit. on the other hand so are most of the comments here, whining on internet about computers having no soul (the irony!) doesn’t bring forth any change whatsoever.

By: j.fine

j.fine — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:53:12 +0000

the whole “mnml/microhouse” movement is bunk. takes away from what is the real shit. it’s all the fuckin kids listen to out here in SF and its old as fuck. real shit doesnt get old. i cant listen to blippity bleep shit for more than 2 tracks before i need something with real *musical* quality. UR 4 LIFE!

By: Rennie Foster

Rennie Foster — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:57:33 +0000

I absolutely agree in the fact that what Mad Mike and the UR crew (and some others in the D aswell) are doing and saying is a million times more inspiring than Hawtin and the likes capitalist, market saavy approach. However, i think they both need to exist. Its a balance, like most things. The underground and the mainstream. I dont think they even need to be compared.
Its great that someone mentioned Zulu Nation.. I am a long time member and that sort of thinking is very much a part of Zulu thinking.
I am not going to diss Richie Hawtin, in fact there are far worse bandits out there …everyone has a different way and Richie is obviously a go-getter and very successful at what he does and such. Although my thinking is much more aligned with what Mike Banks is saying, i dont have to get mad at others who dont think like that.. however i understand the frustration.. he sure gets alot more attention in the media with his gadget pushing and such, when UR, who have something much more important and worthwhile to say (and other lesser known artists aswell) so often are overlooked… but thats underground. remember, the magazines that are printing all that stuff are completely aligned with a capitalist way of thinking and doing business that is in a way in conflict with the socially conscious, politically active words of UR and the like.

Rennie Foster
Subject:Detroit / Teknotika / Soiree
Universal Zulu Nation, Tokyo

By: kamo

kamo — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:39:24 +0000

to all you people complaining about people taking it out on hawtin there are two aspects you might want to consider. this hasn’t been mentioned and relates to reception. first, i don’t think hawtin ever received any bad criticism from the mainstream electronic music press/media who just hype whatever he does or says. you can’t really blame that on him, of course, because most of these publications don’t take a critical approach to anything (i probably don’t need to go into why that is so). social involvement, backgrounds, economic interest and other issues are never ever considered in these publications, they are however an important factor of the business and the way in which artists/labelowners and others engage in these fields clearly has an influence on their integrity. second, at least here in europe, hawtin has ever since the mid-nineties been received as a serious artist turning out works of conceptual art (not DANCE music), invited to play at galleries, museums, taken out to dinner by pretentious curators and what not, sponsored by major banks, car manufacturers, etc. with the way he styled himself, he gained access to a whole different sphere of society, far removed from what you would term “underground”. and at one point, he apparently started to believe in his grandiosity. on the other hand, the people that invented techno in the first place never received any such response over here and their music was and is surely not regarded as high art, or receiving any attention outside of the club music circuit. why? because techno is not about technology (or to use another sales keyword: innovation) but ultimately about community.

By: lola

lola — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:07:24 +0000

i think mnml as a concept or it’s origins isn’t bad but the kind that minus do is both awful and cynical & responsible for the demise of the genre .have you noticed how all minus releases sound the same . i’m convinced there’s some weird creature churning them out and they flip a coin at the headquarters and decide which name will go on the record this time . a big pile of poo me thinks !

By: Fledge

Fledge — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:24:51 +0000

Hawtin has always been about ego, Carbon Offset…..yeah sure, does he offset the Carbon from forcing the promoter to fly 20 groupies to each of his gigs, does he take care with his Itnary and makes sure it leaves the least impact on the world…..no, he IS a capitalist scumbag that has seen a marketing oportunity after watching Al Gore’s film, he never gave a damn before but all of a sudden he “relates” to the issue so he can look cool (orbital did eco friendly over 10 years ago before it was advantageous to your income), it is pure unfelt rhetoric to make even more money and put nothing back. I’m not even going to go into his musical output, he was always mostly lame, copying Phuture, ripping off all the early plus 8 artist, the guy is a tit who is lost in his own ego.

UR put back and continue to do so, maybe not all their music hits everyone’s personal spot all the time but the integrity is untouchable.

In Summary Hawtin is a waste of space, period……thankfully more people see this.