Comments on: Another One Bites the Dust http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/ the real shit for those who know Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:54:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: rcn http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-691 rcn Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:34:10 +0000 http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-691 I am in no way worried about these distributors closing down. In the US it is bad but it just means now if you want to survive in this business you better not release bullshit. I've been waiting for something like this to happen. There needs to be more quality control and in today's info age, people (I hope :/) are getting smarter and finding out about more music than ever before so this also helps tiny labels who release wonderful music to get that exposure that is needed when they don't have to compete for spotlight with all the frisbees sitting on the wall at the record shop. I am in no way worried about these distributors closing down. In the US it is bad but it just means now if you want to survive in this business you better not release bullshit. I’ve been waiting for something like this to happen. There needs to be more quality control and in today’s info age, people (I hope :/) are getting smarter and finding out about more music than ever before so this also helps tiny labels who release wonderful music to get that exposure that is needed when they don’t have to compete for spotlight with all the frisbees sitting on the wall at the record shop.

]]> By: dj sergej http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-675 dj sergej Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:48:20 +0000 http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-675 my wife is a photographer,and recently i joined their discussion analog vs digital - and actually in photography this vs story is finished - digital won. could you imagine doing blogs by taking picture,then taking it to develop,then scan it, and upload it to server - if the process will be like that - it will not be any music blogs. and if we look on blogs as media (and of course we look), they are very important in music industry - and talking about media, blogs are seriously taking part of the cake from established old school music media - why - maybe simply they didn adopt - but at the same time, they are writing about music, and don't have any music on their web site. they used economy of scale in old analogue word - but now quality won - not economy in a way all stakeholders in music industries are going through major shift related to technology, and who adopt - will survive. Just read recently, that from the 1st list of top 100 companies in US published 1911 i think, only general electric survive till today regarding vinyl - i agree that will stay, but not in model where distributor gets more money then artists - didnt you mentioned that shipment charges are on top of whole sale price, charged against shop. So for what distributor takes 2 $ or euro ? for stocking vinyl - i think that in new york central station you could hire box for less money At the other side - labels giving away t-shirts and selling the vinyl. I prefer to get vinyl from label, instead of t-shirt (price is the same, even vinyl is cheaper) And DJs - big shots - most of them playing CDs and Serato/FS And young DJs - how many of them going for vinyl ? i understand that this topic is disscused million times, but probably is good - we all going through shift and its much easier if know that we are not alone big respect to all from croatia my wife is a photographer,and recently i joined their discussion analog vs digital - and actually in photography this vs story is finished - digital won.
could you imagine doing blogs by taking picture,then taking it to develop,then scan it, and upload it to server - if the process will be like that - it will not be any music blogs. and if we look on blogs as media (and of course we look), they are very important in music industry - and talking about media, blogs are seriously taking part of the cake from established old school music media - why - maybe simply they didn adopt - but at the same time, they are writing about music, and don’t have any music on their web site.
they used economy of scale in old analogue word - but now quality won - not economy

in a way all stakeholders in music industries are going through major shift related to technology, and who adopt - will survive.
Just read recently, that from the 1st list of top 100 companies in US published 1911 i think, only general electric survive till today

regarding vinyl - i agree that will stay, but not in model where distributor gets more money then artists - didnt you mentioned that shipment charges are on top of whole sale price, charged against shop. So for what distributor takes 2 $ or euro ? for stocking vinyl - i think that in new york central station you could hire box for less money

At the other side - labels giving away t-shirts and selling the vinyl. I prefer to get vinyl from label, instead of t-shirt (price is the same, even vinyl is cheaper)
And DJs - big shots - most of them playing CDs and Serato/FS
And young DJs - how many of them going for vinyl ?

i understand that this topic is disscused million times, but probably is good - we all going through shift and its much easier if know that we are not alone
big respect to all from croatia

]]> By: depletedsoul http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-674 depletedsoul Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:38:42 +0000 http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-674 And the price of fuel?, its currently £1.05 per Ltr here, i may have to get out and push soon... :) And the price of fuel?, its currently £1.05 per Ltr here, i may have to get out and push soon… :)

]]> By: pipecock http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-673 pipecock Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:06:09 +0000 http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-673 $5 is the wholesale price, that's what the shops pay to the distro to buy the record (plus shipping, of course) before the shop marks it up so that they can make any money! so if the upfront cost for the domestic record is $6 altogether, the price has to get up to like $8-9. just a few years back, domestics were selling for $5.99 each in the shops, with a wholesale of between $3-4. i dont even want to talk about imports, their wholesale price is above $10 per 12" in many cases before shipping and the shop's markup! $5 is the wholesale price, that’s what the shops pay to the distro to buy the record (plus shipping, of course) before the shop marks it up so that they can make any money! so if the upfront cost for the domestic record is $6 altogether, the price has to get up to like $8-9. just a few years back, domestics were selling for $5.99 each in the shops, with a wholesale of between $3-4. i dont even want to talk about imports, their wholesale price is above $10 per 12″ in many cases before shipping and the shop’s markup!

]]> By: depletedsoul http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-672 depletedsoul Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:03:42 +0000 http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-672 Tom you think $5 is alot for a record?, iam lucky if i pay less than £7-8 for a 12" in th UK now and dont even get me started on the price of fuel here!! :) Tom you think $5 is alot for a record?, iam lucky if i pay less than £7-8 for a 12″ in th UK now and dont even get me started on the price of fuel here!! :)

]]> By: pipecock http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-671 pipecock Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:30:18 +0000 http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-671 Unique is actually gone already (as of today!), but they were more hiphop than dance. hiphop is already in far far worse shape than dance music in terms of people moving over to digital deejaying. but of course most modern hiphop is not the kind of timeless music that causes people to care about it, so that isnt exactly surprising. is 161 really doing that bad? it seems like theyre doing alright to me, theyre charging alot more for their records these days, over $5 for most domestics wholesale. ouch. Unique is actually gone already (as of today!), but they were more hiphop than dance. hiphop is already in far far worse shape than dance music in terms of people moving over to digital deejaying. but of course most modern hiphop is not the kind of timeless music that causes people to care about it, so that isnt exactly surprising. is 161 really doing that bad? it seems like theyre doing alright to me, theyre charging alot more for their records these days, over $5 for most domestics wholesale. ouch.

]]> By: Marina http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-669 Marina Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:58:03 +0000 http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-669 syntax is not the only one...Unique and Downtown 131 are next on this list. syntax is not the only one…Unique and Downtown 131 are next on this list.

]]> By: b0b http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-668 b0b Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:47:08 +0000 http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-668 Hopefully there's some digital shops like whatpeopleplay who do some kind of (necessary) filtering, compared to beatport who has it all but it's so overwhelming it's no fun. Hopefully there’s some digital shops like whatpeopleplay
who do some kind of (necessary) filtering, compared to beatport who has it all but it’s so overwhelming it’s no fun.

]]> By: pipecock http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-667 pipecock Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:01:53 +0000 http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-667 i really think that economics will finally put the stop to most of the really bad vinyl records coming out. sure, something that isn't so hot with "cult" status could move some copies but i imagine the people who will be sticking with wax will be paying more for new shit and thus will be even more picky than before. we'll probably end up seeing more "specialty" distros that really know their shit and they will be able to take the smart risks by taking on new things that are actually high quality. i'm more than glad to pass the quality control problems on to mp3 sites and deejays! i really think that economics will finally put the stop to most of the really bad vinyl records coming out. sure, something that isn’t so hot with “cult” status could move some copies but i imagine the people who will be sticking with wax will be paying more for new shit and thus will be even more picky than before. we’ll probably end up seeing more “specialty” distros that really know their shit and they will be able to take the smart risks by taking on new things that are actually high quality. i’m more than glad to pass the quality control problems on to mp3 sites and deejays!

]]> By: Kenny http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-666 Kenny Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:04:17 +0000 http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/01/08/another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-666 Thats a very fair point about the over abundance of releases and distributors. People freaking out that its the end of vinyl, when its just not yet. It will be interesting to see what happens with somewhere like beatport, who will probably host and sell anything, going by the abundance of shit digital labels knocking about (though there is still just as many shit ones putting out vinyl too ha) Thats a very fair point about the over abundance of releases and distributors. People freaking out that its the end of vinyl, when its just not yet. It will be interesting to see what happens with somewhere like beatport, who will probably host and sell anything, going by the abundance of shit digital labels knocking about (though there is still just as many shit ones putting out vinyl too ha)

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