Intent has a massive effect on the outcome, right? So, therefore it does matter, you said it wasn’t important, but of course it is.

Also, a “stated” intent doesn’t necessarily equal actual intent.

Of course, “good” intentions don’t always result in great music, other things such as talent and inspiration are very important too. Obviously the outcome is what you end up judging in regards to whether you like the music or not, but having the right intentions is a good starting point.

Because pardon me, but I don’t think that’s a demonstration of your underground credentials, that’s an admission that you’re so brainwashed by cultural context that you’ve destroyed your own critical faculties.

The listener has to be the ultimate arbitrator of what is and isn’t good because nearly all artists have good intentions, its just that they often fail to make good on those intentions. Stevie Wonder is really talented. But he still made some shitty songs. Is that because he was trying to make a shitty song? Of course not. He was trying to make a good song and failed.

Ritchie Hawtin would state that his intention is to push techno forward and make deep, nuanced minimal music that moves dancefloors. But you disagree with him that this is what he achieved. So why can’t you apply the same critical filter of the difference between intention and result to the music whose cultural narrative you like?

And please note this has NOTHING to do with what gets played at Berghain or “doing your own thing”. But if it did, you should probably note that Luciano’s top three charted records this month are Brother’s Vibe, Kerri Chandler and Inner City.

I also have to point out that Rick Wade is not the only Detroit producer who just does his thing in his style regardless of what is going on in the world around him. Most Detroit artists are coming from their own culture, they make music based in that culture, not based on playing Berghain if their record gets popular or maybe going to play in Ibiza if they are really lucky. None of that crap is even on their radar. This should be admired!

Rick Wade was making deep Deteoit house music before there was a Kenny or Theo sound to jack. He was making bass music before there was a Twlight 76 or anybody thought to call it “ghettotech”. His sound is personal and not colored by trends of any kind. What more can one ask for? If you think that doesnt make a difference in how his music sounds, you would be wrong.

it does matter, intent surely has a huge effect on the output as far as the creative process is concerned, no?

I believe artists should strive to create something original and personal, a dance music producer should strive to make people dance, etc, intent is important.

when you listen to something you may not care about the intent of an artist, but that doesn’t negate it’s importance in the creative process imo

That assumes that it matters one jot what the artist is attempting as opposed to what the listener experiences. It also assumes that the merit of art is solely to accurately communicate intention. If that were the case, all art would be bald statements of intent or opinion.

By this statement you’re effectively saying that you will always give detroit music the benefit of the doubt because you assume its doing something ‘more’ (hello Rick Wade) that you can’t necessarily detect but that you believe must be there.

That’s straight up prejudice.

looking back on failed subgrnres you can see a pattern of things that just DON’T work well ever.

If you live in a binary world, maybe, but for most of us it’s a bit more analogue than that. Most of the time we’re surrounded by examples of things that work sometimes for reasons that cannot be deduced due to a web of conflicting factors.

For me that’s why the only true response to music is a pure one. Does it sound good? Does it make me dance? Does it make me feel something?

Not “It should make me feel something because Rick Wade made it”.

Ha ha, well put.

I reccomend everyone go read this post!